Until now with them Nuke capable the Chinese main weapon has always been sheer numbers. Like in Korea when they became engaged they simple threw hoards of soldiers into the fray. Life to them is not as prized at it is to most European people.

 

China is fucking with a dog that's been sleeping in SE Asia for a decade.

Okinawa just increased back to full operational strength after the 3rd Marines pulled out of Iraq. South Korea is home to about 100,000 US troops that have actually seen combat. There are always at least 2 Ohio Class cruise missile submarines with over 130 missiles each within range of China and 1 Ohio class ballistic missile submarine within range.

Then there is the 7th Fleet about 70 ships including super carriers, 300 aircraft, 40,000 sea based sailors and Marines.

That's just what's in East Asia.

 

That's because the Chinese tactic to take a machine gun nest is hit it with waves of men. Claymores and M2 machine guns could single handedly wipe out entire Chinese battalions.

China does have a impressive missile collection. Sadly they store them in 3 or 4 places we already have locked in with our missiles.

 

Funny?

The aggressor was defeated by the combined allied forces in the Pacific, the disputed islands were to be returned to the previous owners. It would have been so easy to get them in 1946, just take them back,but no one wanted them.

Until now, China doesn't want the islands, they want the airspace and maritime waters.

Now they are and have been part of Japan's footprint in the China Sea for those 75 years that you do not seen to care about. And you think that hey should just give them back.

PS: I know you were trying to be clever, but Tennessee was not part of Mexico, as Arizona was. Try harder.

 

Gloating?

Taxes?

Why don't you just go for broke and work the Tribe of Asher into this?

 

Yes. We have plenty of nukes.

And thanks to the Obama Administration's abandonment of the U.S. commitment to maintaining an ability to wage conventional conflicts in two theaters simultaneously, we just might need those nukes.

Will we use them? No. And China knows it. China no doubt suspects that in a real fight, they can achieve parity or better with sheer numbers and a technologically inferior force, because we do not have the stomach to defend our interests.

What if China tests us by replaying the Pearl Harbor scenario? Say, by taking Senkaku with impunity, and then taking back Taiwan, on its way to the Philippines?

Will we stop them? Where? Senkaku? Taiwan? When?

With what?

Nukes?

No. We'll roll over and deplore the incidents with strong language.

Many think it can't happen. I said it this morning, and I will repeat it: we are ripe for conquest.

 

When did I suggest that Tennessee was ever part of Mexico? You need to try harder. I just figured we'd be ahead of the game by giving Mexico some of our unenlightened people and their homelands. Tenn and the South fit that bill perfectly. Keep digging....

 

You might be right.

I'll say the same thing I said to ShadowWalker: our technologically superior force is truly bad-ass. But it is a sledge hammer. People here are calling me a war monger, yet it seems everyone is eager to fall back on our strategic subs and B2 bombers.

The nukes are intended as a deterrent against existential threats. We can't use them against a Chinese campaign to extend its territories in the South Pacific.

So how do we respond, if they start taking islands with their one carrier group and ten thousand personnel carriers?

Do we let them do it?

Not too long ago China tried to enforce a no-fly zone in its so-called red line. We responded with a B2 overflight. Impressive. But the two-plus billion dollar bulls-eye was unarmed. Next time we pull that stunt, what happens if China takes a pot shot and scores?

Do we nuke them?

Argh. And I'm the war monger.

 

I'm not suggesting America show China who is boss. I'm suggesting we are really in no position to tell China how to behave, when we (Mainly US, the UK's threats are pretty empty now) flexes its military muscle at every opportunity on matters which don't concern us or our allies. Bit like a Wall Street banker getting mad at the 3 card Monty guy outside for conning passers by out of a buck

 

I only mentioned one sub that has nuclear missile capability.

You think the Generals are just going to sit back while politicians let the Chinese walk over us? You don't need those little codes in the POTUS brief case to launch nuclear missiles or bombs all it takes is a rogue CO and a B2 or B52 load master to put 8 nukes on a bomber and fly them anywhere in the world.

Let me tell you how this will play out from a military prospective. China launches a volley of cruise missiles. The 7th fleet and Marines on Japan launch anti missile defenses and send up fighters to intercept Chinese fighters packing anti satellite missiles. The US sends a warning to China to cease fire. China ignores this. Bombers are scrambling and airborne troops are taking off in C130s and C17s from the US mainland.

Meanwhile the missile cruisers and submarines of the 7th and 5th Fleets have locked on the China's bases and are sending everything they have. The 3rd Marines are already in flight from Japan and Guam. SEAL teams 1,5 and 7 are inserting. SOG teams already in China have begun espionage and strike missions. At the same time 3rd Recon and 3rd MARSOB are descending on China's forces hungry for blood.

The 7th Fleet already has fighters dropping bunker busting missiles on China's underground missile bases.

The 7th fleet takes heavy damage but is still operational. The 3rd Fleet is sailing from the western Pacific with the 1st Marine Division. 2nd Marines are on call from North Carolina.

The POTUS has a choice give nuclear capability or risk backlash from the American people and the military ignoring him and doing whatever the hell they want.

 

How are we going to pay for the increased military spending you are advocating? (?):?:

Republicans have never learned the contradiction between desiring "a strong national defense," and "lower taxes, less government." Moreover, they think that while domestic spending harms the economy, military spending invigorates it.

 

It's already spent DL. The DOD is already packing all the weaponry it needs. One US Naval Fleet has the fire power to sink every other navy on earth.

 

Amen Dave....so true that.

 

The problem is that treaty with Japan, the US is obligated to protect Japan in return for Japan not building anything other than a defense force.


I'm personally in favor of withdrawing all US forces from every foreign country and letting the world do what it wants without us. If they attack us we go nuclear right away. Of course it would be known publicly before hand that that would be the response to any attack.

 

We should have done that years ago.

 

One of the rare times I agree with you. I wonder though what we do with all the returning personnel. We would have the jobs if we pulled out of foreign manufacturing and once again dominated in that field. It would mean higher prices but well worth it.

 

We could keep a good portion of them just within US territory expand the army corps and let them work on the infrastructure which is aging in every state. The military budget would be cut drastically if we only pay operational costs. Let's face it our technology and weapons are 30 years ahead of everyone else.

Manufacturing should be brought back too. Higher prices are fine as long as pay checks keep up with inflation.

Too many young people living with parents because they can't afford to live on minimum wage jobs or even slightly above minimum wage jobs.

 

Tsk tsk, you are starting to sound like DL and Stumbles, trying to deflect the blows with irrelevance.

To weak a defense to be considered an offense, Rick, you need to sharpen your wit.

 

Does China not have it's proverbial foot on the throat of the America financially. If told to sit by it's master, the US would be unwise to disobey lest it find itself having to find the money to pay back the debts owed its financial overlord.

Also, your last paragraph was very witty; does the world not already have enough evidence just how 'ripe for conquest' the American war machine is, doing battle with every dictator and despot it decides is of no more use to it? How many conflicts have your country been involved with in the past, ah, I dunno...decade?

I'm not suggesting for one minute, that the UK are any less a war-loving nation (it seems), being as we follow where you lead, no matter how many of our young people get killed or maimed, physically or mentally. That is, by far, a much worse crime than being the ones to beat the old kettle drums of battle, but my local MP knows, repeatedly, my stance on this starry-eyed puppy love we show the US.

 

This thread has disintegrated into a fantasy land.

A. Pull our military back to the US, how many international treaties would that break?

B. Threaten nuclear response to any attack upon the US, and of course the Russian and Chinese nuclear capacity will somehow magically disappear, right?

C. End all trade agreements and manufacture all of our needs at home, where do we get this capacity to make steel, to make electronic components, to make textiles, to make about anything consumer related, now that it no longer exists in our country?

D. The US flexes it's strength and strikes China's military installations, of course their allies will sit by and watch, right?

In the mean time everyone seems to forget that the Japanese defense forces already are more than capable to repel any non nuclear attack from China.

This is all a wonderfully entertaining exchange of impotent rhetoric..